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Ginevra Blake's avatar

“I like exploring the small, telling pivots of a moment because I believe that such small moments can be as important as the larger dramatic moments we often think define life.” Grant, this sentence of yours is gold to me. I’m also grateful I am a paid subscriber to your posts because I don’t want to miss the many shiny bits I find in your newsletters and work.

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Grant Faulkner's avatar

Thanks so much for everything, Ginevra! I appreciate your kind words and your support. I'm also just happy my newsletter resonates with you and is useful. Thanks so much again!

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Linda Joy Myers's avatar

If only "plot" wasn't taught as so mechanical in discussing the progress of a protagonist or a story. What if it's about human change and development that is, or appears to be, organic based on the conflicts and challenges of a human person. And in short fiction, I can see the non-plot moment working; the problem is in longer fiction, how do we find a different more subtle solution to " what kind of change occurs." Maybe you are saying the progress of a story doesn't need to be about change?

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Grant Faulkner's avatar

Yeah, the mechanical/mathematical notion of plot certainly doesn't work so much for me. I like to think of contours, shapes. I also just like to not think of it too much—but rather to feel tension, to feel tension moving, searching (organic, as you say). You're right, though: the longer the story, the more pressure on the plot. I think change is crucial to "the progress of the story," but I also think change can take so many different forms. I like Jane Allison's book, "Meander, Spiral, Explode," for different models and language for plot.

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Pamela Painter's avatar

Thanks for suggesting Allison's book. (And you are so right that "the longer the story the more pressure on plot." Alas.

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Pamela Painter's avatar

Oh, Grant. I really like what you say about plot. When Anne Bernays and I were writing WHAT IF? WRITING EXERCISES FOR FICTION WRITERS, we sent the manuscript off to our editor at Harper Collins and he wrote back "You left out plot." True. So, we were asked to add it to the book, but our hearts were not happy. Recently, I wrote this for Vancouver Flash Fiction Writing Tips: 2023: "Forget plot. Plot sits like a boulder on your story. Instead think “unstable situation” and notice that an unstable situation has a past—and a future. Also forget conflict—it too is a dead weight. Instead think “tension,” “anticipation,” “apprehension,” and “dread.”

I love your posts. They are wise, witty, and full of inspirational advice. Now, I am waiting for your novel. Cheers.

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Grant Faulkner's avatar

Thanks so much, Pam! I love that we're on the same page with this. I love “unstable situation," and I haven't thought how insufficient "conflict" is. I love your replacement words.

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Alexander Ipfelkofer's avatar

The thing about plot is people tend to overly worry about it, construct elaborate and clever plots no one will remember, the characters on the other hand…

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Grant Faulkner's avatar

Agreed. I think I put too much pressure on myself re: plot. To focus on the character, the situation, is what really matters. Sometimes plot happens without the writer even thinking about it too much.

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Alexander Ipfelkofer's avatar

Yes, and the nice thing about flash fiction, at least for me, is that it's mostly all about the character(s). As you said, there's no/less need for a plot, even if nothing happens, a vignette, a snippet of life, which is fine for 100-1k words. Also, I like writing to an exact word limit.

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Ira Friedwald's avatar

I always refer back to James Joyce’s Dubliners as the gold standard of epiphany in writing. But I would also note that it is possible - perhaps even mandatory - that even character driven fiction contain the basics of plot, I.e. beginning, middle and end. It’s not easy to get to the top of that hill but it can be so rewarding if a writer can do so.

Ira

writing from the bottom of the world, or, as it is known around here - - Salem, Oregon.

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Grant Faulkner's avatar

I think it was Joyce who conjured the notion of epiphany in fiction. I love Dubliners. And I agree with you if by "the basics of plot" you mean narrative tension, suspense, a sense of escalation. I guess I think plot can take many shapes, and doesn't need to be restricted by its popular models (the hill, the roller coaster, the hero's quest).

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Karl Tame's avatar

Great article. When "composing" a story, I use a single suggestive (nonsensical) sentence to create the context:

example: “Andy lived blind until his hearing was shot!”

WTF: Then I explore the potential meaning of the sentence; and/or those 8 combined words. First: I got Andy, blind; hearing; & shot. Most important I got “until.” What happened?

I am only starting out as a crime fiction writer, but that’s how I create a plot from nothing..!

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Grant Faulkner's avatar

Sounds fun!

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marie.mayhugh@gmail.com's avatar

I love Literary short fiction, such as those found in the New Yorker, Harpers, and reviews published at universities across the country. When I returned to college to complete my English degree w/ emphasis in creative writing, I trusted the writing professors to hone in on the secret to writing good narrative prose, aside focusing on the eloquence of sentence structure. One professor kidnapped my writing desire with his heavy emphasis and dependence on the Freytag pyramid. My writing plunged thereafter. However, he recognized my knack with characters and encourage that I focus on character, but never explained how to sway from plot. Plot is and will always be my nemesis. When I think of plot, I think of genre, then drama and melodrama. My mother watching soap operas comes to mind when I think of plot. I'm bored with plot because of its predictability, but I now realize that narrative prose bores those who are captivated by plot. The difference appears to be that narrative prose contains slow motion, with room to ponder, versus the fast-paced plotted story structure that engages with quick, digestible language.

Through workshop discussions, other professors discussed literary short fiction that was fifty plus years old, with very few discussing contemporary literary short fiction writers, such as Junot Diaz, Jim Shephard, Lauren Groff, and Karen Russell to name a few. For the most part, literary fiction is light on plot, and deviates from its structure. There is point of view, main characters, and some thematic notion or idea. However, I argue, there must be some form of structure that can be linear or not. I've read various Literary short stories and many vary in form, but they have a form in order to identify it as a short story. I am perplexed to this day about these subtle structures.

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Grant Faulkner's avatar

May I recommend Jane Allison's book "Meander, Spiral, Explode." You sound like the perfect reader for it. It's my favorite book on plot/structure.

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Chris Norris's avatar

it's...extreme--earlier and more Expressionist with a capital E than the tone-row stuff he's more known for and (that I'm guessing the NY-er piece focused on, but I'll check). Signal use of Sprechstimme too, which is awesome.

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Grant Faulkner's avatar

Cool, I'll listen to it today. The New Yorker piece covered his 12-tone approach and his atonality and then his odd life in LA--it's his 150th birthday this year. I'm googling Sprechstimme ...

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Chris Norris's avatar

Schoenberg: lmk when you get to “Pierrot Lunaire.”

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Grant Faulkner's avatar

I've listened to it just a little, but I'll skip to it on your recommendation. I got into him because of the recent New Yorker article on Schoenberg.

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